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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf KoreaNinja » 12. jul 2011, 15:15

Okay, så kan man sagtens beholde et pointsystem, men mere idéen i at sprede det ud over hele kampen i stedet for enkelte runder.

Man bedømmer jo heller ikke fodbold kampe efter, hvem der vandt hvor mange halvlege.
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf Anto1400 » 12. jul 2011, 15:32

Det er jeg enig med dig i :D
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 9. feb 2012, 17:22



Dana White skrev:"I've said it many times. In the evolution of this sport right now, one of the big problems we're having right now is judging and reffing. It's one of the things that drives me crazy and attention needs to be paid to scoring and reffing. First of all, it affects guys careers as far as legacies go. Jon Jones? Jon Jones should be undefeated right now but he's not, he's got a loss on his record and there's tons of guys in the UFC that have those. There's guys who've absolutely, clearly won fights and lost on the judges' scorecards. Nobody's perfect. There's always gonna be problems. But the judging and the reffing is so bad in mixed martial arts, it drives me crazy. The fans hate it too and it hurts the sport. These athletic commissions really need to tighten up and start working on educating their refs and judges."

Der er ingen tvivl om, at sindsyge decisions finder sted, og at kæmpere i ny og næ bliver uretfærdigt diskvalificeret. Pointsystemet er dog, efter min mening, stedet, man først og fremmest skal fokusere på, og der mangler gennemskuelighed i bedømmelseskriterierne - også for at gøre det lettere for dommerne. Hvordan vægter man eks. følgende ift. hinanden:

- octagon control
- aggression / initiativ
- (effektive) takedowns
- forsvar af takedowns
- leg kicks
- spark og slag
- etc.

Der er egentlig ikke så meget nyt i det, men fedt at Dana White taler ligeud om en revision af det nuværende system, som har rigelig plads til forbedring.

Har I nogle tanker om, hvordan man kunne gøre det bedre :?:
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf TheWulf » 9. feb 2012, 17:24

Et godt første skridt er at gøre som i Pride. Vægte hele kampen i stedet for individuelle runder. Derefter giver det god mening at vægte skade over kontrol.
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 15. jun 2012, 05:23

Joe Rogan om inkompetente dommere:
Roegan via BloodyElbow skrev:"I think they should fire judges that suck. I don't understand how someone can keep their job over and over again while screwing up over and over. What do you call that exactly? Extreme incompetence. How does someone judge any sort of combat sport without at least a passing interest in the sport? If you pulled aside, and I don't want to name any names, but if you pulled aside some of those judges from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, that has notoriously had horrific scoring, and started asking them about fighters that aren't fighting in the UFC, would they know anything about them? Would they know anything about who the top judo guy is? Would they even know anything about Gilbert Melendez and how good he is? Do these guys know how you set up an armbar? If I sat them down and said, 'Do an armbar on this guy', would they be able to do that? I think you've got to know when a guy's in trouble and when a guy's not in trouble, and the only way to know that, is to have actually trained. I don't think you can be a person who judges martial arts without being an expert in martial arts."
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 30. apr 2013, 19:34

Hvad siger I til denne :?:

Georges St. Pierre: Who is the best man inside the Octagon? Do away with 'ridiculous,' 'stupid' rounds and find out
GSP via The Joe Rogan Experience skrev:"There's a lot of things I would change in the sport. First of all, the time, there's no time, no round. Seriously, I believe it is stupid, the round. If you want to see who's the best man, let them fight, you know? Fifteen minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship. No rounds. Why the round? Why are we trying to be like boxing? We're not boxers -- they did rounds to be like boxing to be accepted as a sport. Yeah, of course, 100 percent (there would be more finishes). No rounds. I think it's ridiculous. 100 percent I would rather fight with a rule like this, I think it's more honest, like, who's the better man? Let them fight."
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf Iron » 30. apr 2013, 22:42

a2zinck skrev:Hvad siger I til denne :?:

Georges St. Pierre: Who is the best man inside the Octagon? Do away with 'ridiculous,' 'stupid' rounds and find out
GSP via The Joe Rogan Experience skrev:"There's a lot of things I would change in the sport. First of all, the time, there's no time, no round. Seriously, I believe it is stupid, the round. If you want to see who's the best man, let them fight, you know? Fifteen minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship. No rounds. Why the round? Why are we trying to be like boxing? We're not boxers -- they did rounds to be like boxing to be accepted as a sport. Yeah, of course, 100 percent (there would be more finishes). No rounds. I think it's ridiculous. 100 percent I would rather fight with a rule like this, I think it's more honest, like, who's the better man? Let them fight."

Jeg gad sgu godt se det..!! :) Også ind med pride's rød og gul kort regler. ACTION ACTION ACTION.!!! :D
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf kristoffer » 1. maj 2013, 08:19

Interessant det kommer fra manden som altid kigger på uret i en runde...
So we're throwing spinning shit now?!
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 21. nov 2013, 09:15

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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 26. nov 2013, 19:38

Keith Kizer om et åbent scoringssystem, hvor kampens stilling (eks. 20-18) opdateres løbende:

Keith Kizer discusses potential problems with open scoring system
Kizer skrev:"First of all, you could have people throwing beer bottles and all that," Kizer said. "Secondly, even if they don’t throw beer bottles, the judges – and I’ve talked to some of them about this – they’d be afraid. They’d be looking behind them during the next round. Then the rest of the fight after that, there’s the potential for the judges to be distracted."

There’s also the potential for the judges to be influenced by hearing one another’s scores, Kizer said. If you’re a judge who scored the first four rounds for one fighter while your colleagues have it more evenly split, "There’s going to be some pressure on you to feel like you should give the fifth round to the other guy."

The other concern is how it might affect fighters, and our perceptions of them. Forget about them playing it safe in the final round. Many of them already do that when they know they’re ahead, Kizer said, "But so what? They take a knee in football. It’s part of sports."

Jeg tvivler sgu også lidt på, at det er dét, der skal til. Men noget må der ske med alle de fuckups.
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf TheWulf » 26. nov 2013, 19:52

Dommerne burde sidde i et baglokale, hvor de kan se replays af alt med en milliard forskellige stats. Og så skal de se kampen uden lyd.
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf KoreaNinja » 26. nov 2013, 23:31

Synes nu egentlig noget af det der kunne mangle lidt var, at dommerne rent faktisk skulle stå til ansvar for deres bedømmelser. Fuck it! Giv et lille interview bagefter og sig hvorfor du scorede kampen som du gjorde. En dommer har latterlig stor betydning i den her sport og nogen gange virker det som om, at de slet ikke har en dyt forstand på det. Og hvis man er sikker i sin sag og er en kompetent dommer, så SKAL man kunne stå til ansvar for sin beslutning.
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf TheWulf » 26. nov 2013, 23:35

Det har du også fuldstændig ret i. Men de burde ikke være ude blandt publikum.
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 27. nov 2013, 15:28

TheWulf skrev:Dommerne burde sidde i et baglokale, hvor de kan se replays af alt med en milliard forskellige stats. Og så skal de se kampen uden lyd.

Ikke så dumt endda, Wulf. Den sender vi lige videre til Kizer. ;)

Jeg er til gengæld ikke meget for, at dommerne skal interviewes og stå til ansvar overfor pressen. Det handler snarere om uddannelse af dommere, og niveauet er pt. ikke godt nok. Ansvaret ligger ved NSAC, der som minimum må fyre de mest uduelige af slagsen. Er det forresten ikke længe siden, vi har set den gode Cecil Peoples :?:

Men vi kan jo kun håbe på, at NSAC lytter til folkets røst. Indtil videre har Kizer ikke været synderligt lydhør overfor kritik.

CSAC Executive Officer open letter for change: 'Judging system used to score MMA requires evolution'
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