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Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf kristoffer » 27. maj 2010, 19:20

Hej alle. Jeg kom til at tænke på hvordan virker point systemet egentlig i UFC? Hvad giver et takedown f.eks.? og er der forskel på om modstander lander fuldt på ryggen eller når at få en hånd i?
Hvad med slag? Et jab i ansigtet giver vel et vis antal point?
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Re: Point i en kamp?

Indlægaf Shogunn » 27. maj 2010, 20:41

jeg tror det er op til den individuelle dommer om hvor meget et takedown f.eks. giver, men jeg tror ikk der er den store forskel på om en modstander lander fladt på ryggen eller når at få en hånd ned, så længe personen er effektiv aggresiv,hvis man kan sige det, giver det vel gode point hvis det altså ikke er Cecil Peoples der er en af dommerne :P
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Re: Point i en kamp?

Indlægaf lamotta » 27. maj 2010, 20:47

JUDGES
A. No judge will have a financial interest in any fighter he judges.

B. No judge will be a manager/trainer of any fighter he judges.


C. In a bout goes to it's full time limit, the outcome will be decided by a majority decision of
three, (3), MMAC judges.

D. A judge is accredited, sanctioned and selected based upon his character, experience, stature in the MMA world, knowledge of MMA systems and impartiality.


E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria:
-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness

F. Clean Strikes
1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes.
2. There are two ways of measuring strikes:
-the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient)
-the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective)

G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total number landed.
1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the criteria.
2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a winning round.

H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking.

I. Effective Grappling
1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position.
2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively grappling.
3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple, through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous defense from the top fighter.
4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling.
5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the preceding situations were met.(items 2-4)
6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored the clean takedown deserves the round.
7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling

J. Octagon Control
1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight.
2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is octagon control.
3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.
4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities

K. Effective Aggressiveness
1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring)
2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.
4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.
5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.

L. Criteria Evaluation
1. Each judge is to evaluate which fighter was most effective. Thus striking and grappling skills are top priority.
2. Evaluating the criteria requires the use of a sliding scale. Fights can remain standing or grounded. Judges shall recognize that it isn't how long the fighters are standing or grounded, as to the scoring the fighters achieve ,while in those positions.
3. If 90% of the round is grounded one fighter on top, then:
-effective grappling is weighed first.
-clean striking is weighed next. If clean strikes scored in the round, the Judge shall factor it
in. Clean Striking can outweigh Effective Grappling while the fighters are grounded.
-octagon control is next (pace, place & position)

4. The same rational holds true if 90% of the round were standing. Thus:
-clean striking would be weighed first (fighter most effective)
-clean grappling second (any takedowns or effective clinching)
-octagon control which fighter maintained better position? Which fighter created the situations
that led to effective strikes?

5. If a round was 50% standing and 50% on the ground, then:
-clean striking and effective grappling are weighed more equally.
-octagon control would be factored next

6. In all three hypothetical situations, effective aggressiveness is factored in last. It is the
criteria of least importance. Since the definition calls for moving forward and scoring, it is
imperative for the Judges to look at the scoring first.

7. Thus for all Judges scoring UFC fights, the prioritized order of evaluating criteria is:
-clean strikes and effective grappling are weighed first.
-octagon control
-effective aggressiveness

M. Domination Criteria
1. A Judge may determine that a fighter dominated his opponent in a round. This can lead to a two point or more difference on a Judge's scorecard.
2. The definition of a dominating round is a fighter's ability to effectively strike, grapple and
control his opponent.
3. A Judge may determine a round was dominating if a fighter was adversely affected by one of the following:
-knocked down from standing position by clean strike
-by submission attempt
-from a throw
-from clean strikes either standing or grounded.

N. Judge's Scorecard Procedures
After each round:
1. each Judge will determine and record a score each round
2. a MMAC official will collect the scorecard after each round
3. the MMAC official will track and add each Judges score by round
4. If the fight goes the time limit, the MMAC official will add each Judge's scorecard and double check total
5. the fighter with the greater number of points wins the fight on each Judges scorecard
6. the fighter who won on the majority of the Judges Scorecards, wins the fight
7. the MMAC official will hand the decision to the PA announcer

O. Types of Judge's Decisions
1. If all three scorecards agree Unanimous
2. If two of three scorecards agree Split
3. Two scorecards agree and one draw Majority
4. two scorecards agree on draw Draw
5. all scorecards different Draw

IX SCORING SYSTEM

A. The MMAC and UFC have adopted a 10 point must system.
The Judge will use the criteria to determine a winner each round. The three step procedure per round is as follows:
-determine winner of round (can be draw)
-determine if winner dominated round
-fouls then factored in (subtract one point per foul from fighter)

B. Draws are again acceptable in MMAC events

C. Point Totals
1. two fighters who draw are given a score of 10-10
2. the fighter who wins a round is given a score of 10-9
3.The fighter who dominates a round is given a score of 10-8
(a score of 10-7 is possible for a dominant round)
4.For each foul a fighter commits, a point is subtracted. This deduction can change a winning round to a draw. 9-9
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Re: Point i en kamp?

Indlægaf lamotta » 27. maj 2010, 20:49

Jeg fik faktisk selv rigtig meget ud af at læse ovenstående ;)
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf Krøyer » 31. maj 2010, 19:44

He he, mon ovenstående liste blev benyttet til kampen mellem Little Nog og Brilz her i lørdags? Nogle gange må man ryste lidt på hovedet af de dommere, når nu det er så tydeligt beskrevet som lamotta viser her. Men okay, synes da de gør det bedre end vi ser i boksning.
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf lamotta » 31. maj 2010, 21:18

Krøyer skrev:He he, mon ovenstående liste blev benyttet til kampen mellem Little Nog og Brilz her i lørdags? Nogle gange må man ryste lidt på hovedet af de dommere, når nu det er så tydeligt beskrevet som lamotta viser her. Men okay, synes da de gør det bedre end vi ser i boksning.

Hej Krøyer - velkommen til MMAforum.dk

Dommerne i den omtalte kamp burde have en profil herinde - så kunne de læse reglerne :lol:
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf Krøyer » 1. jun 2010, 19:56

He he, enig - det virker sgu som om det kunne være gavnligt.

Apropos Cecil Peoples som Shogunn nævner længere oppe, sad jeg netop og så UFC 38, og konstaterede at han faktisk var dommer der også... Han har da alligevel fået nogle år så. Måske det var på tide med en udskiftning? :)
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf kristoffer » 21. jun 2010, 12:30

Joe Rogan mener at point systemet i UFC er forældet..
Hvad siger I?

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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf Danielsen » 21. jun 2010, 21:04

kristoffer skrev:Joe Rogan mener at point systemet i UFC er forældet..
Hvad siger I?
Video..


Rogans ord er lov. eod...
Ej, er delvist enig med Rogan, for det kan virkelig være farligt med de albuer :? :shock:
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf kristoffer » 21. jun 2010, 21:21

Enig i albuer på gulvet...vi har en tråd om det herinde. :)
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 27. aug 2010, 08:36

Penn: 'The 10-9 System Doesn’t Work'

BJ Penn skrev:"My problem with the scoring system is that you can go out and win the first round by 50 points and lose the second round by two points on a takedown or something and it's an even fight going to the third round," said Penn. "That's a joke. On another note, what good does a takedown do if I take down Demian Maia? How many points do I get if I mount on James Toney? It's just ridiculous. I don't think positions should be any points. The only things that should count as points are power punches and legitimate submission attempts. Add them up at the end of the fight and whoever has the most points or did the most damage wins. That's how it should be. That 10-9 system doesn't work."

(...)

"I'm a jiu-jitsu world champion and I'm saying these things (about changes in judging criteria)," said Penn. "I don't think people should get grappling points for a takedown or mounting someone or getting their back. Who cares if I mount someone or have their back for four minutes if he gets out or I didn't do anything to him?

(...)

“It's the Ultimate Fighting Championship, not the Ultimate Grappling Championship,” continued Penn. “What happens when people fight? Someone gets hurt. You have fights now where nobody gets hurt and it's like what the hell are we watching? And these coaches, because there's money involved, convince these fighters to compete this way and it's crazy. That's another reason why I'm so pumped to get in there. I just want to show everybody what a fight looks like."


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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 27. aug 2010, 08:38

Uden at have tænkt det helt igennem, så erklærer jeg mig umiddelbart enig med BJ's ovenstående svada.

Hvad siger I derude?


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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 30. aug 2010, 20:03

Er der nogen, der har set Winner/Lentz ved UFC #118?

Spoiler: Vis
Jeg får muligvis tæsk for dette, men denne kamp illustrerer meget fint, hvor kedeligt MMA kan være - og hvorfor man måske skulle ændre reglerne, så det ikke ender i ren brydning. Kampen foregår UDELUKKENDE op mod buret, hvor Lentz forsøger (forgæves) at få Winner ned. I 3. omgang sker det endelig, men han har på INTET tidspunkt gjort skade på sin modstander.

Kunne man forestille sig et regelsæt, hvor takedowns kun gav point, hvis de førte til noget - og hvor dommeren hurtigere griber ind og splitter kæmperne, når de står op mod buret?
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Re: Pointsystem i UFC

Indlægaf a2zinck » 31. aug 2010, 09:10

Jeg tolker den larmende tavshed som enighed og ændrer hermed reglerne i UFC
- fra dags dato. :P
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